Having TimeMachine skips FMS directories on maOS Sequoia

Hi everyone,

I replaced my old macMini 2014 by a macMini M4 Pro. What a computer in such a small package ! When I turn it o, I barely have time to hear the typical sound, and the desktop is displayed waiting form to type the password. Installing FMS 25 was a breeze.

The old mini was running Big Sur, I found out Sequoia was different. Where I had a surprise was with TimeMachine. I wanted to add the FMS directories in the list of those to skip, but was surprised to find that's not directories that are listed, but apps :open_mouth:, and TimeMachine is already listed.

Is this the new way in TimeMachine to add directories to skip ?

Thanks

No, I think you are confused.

The location of the Time Machine / Exclude UI is different in Sequoia (go to System Settings / General / Time Machine, then click the Options button) but once you are there, the method is the same. Click the + button to add an excluded folder:

Here's what it looks like on my system (15.7):

It sounds like you may be in System Settings / Privacy and Security by mistake?

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You had me wondering with your question, but I was in the right place. I am replying from the macMini. The macOS version Sequoia 15.6.1.

Inside System Settings


As you can see, I am in the right place. Now I click Options

Surprise !

These entries were already there, I didn't add them and I can't remove them ! M4P_TM is the Time Machine disk.

I heard so much bad things about Sequoia, mostly about the new Systems Setting app. Well it's fairly easy to find you way using the search box top left. I like the idea of having an app define which directories to exclude. This prevents the user making errors and create issues.

Now if only Apple may stop introducing regression bugs - did you say shortcut issues ? - that would be heaven :grinning_face:.

Oh and one nice addition - I believe - now you can plug a Windows keyboard an are able to use it, the layout is identified.

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I’m on mobile right now away from my computer, but my hunch is that you are seeing the filemaker server 22 installer DMG volume in the exclusion list.

This is not what is happening.

Rather, if you have any DMGs mounted, they will show up in the Exclude from Backups list inside Time Machine by default.

You should eject the DMG, then do the normal steps:

  • click the + button
  • add /Library/FileMaker Server/ folders to be excluded as you wish.

Ok, will do.

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First, you were right about the FMS DMG volume.

But I have a problem. The two directories to add are under /Libray/ which is on the the Macintosh HD drive. This drive is not available in a regular Finder window, one you start from Finder itself. To add these directories, I need to work my wind in the Finder window that opens when I click on + , but that window does not let me navigate to the /Library/ directory. I thought I would copy the directories name from FMS to the Finder window open to pick a directory, but where can I paste the directory name ?

I get that in Sequoia security has been thighten, but in that case it prevents me from specifying a directory for Time Machine to skip.

Do you know how I can do it ?

Thabks

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Type Shift-⌘-. (shift command period) when the dialog window is open to toggle hidden folders.

@Malcom, thank you so much ! And I have done using a PC keyboard : the window key is ⌘ key.

Just where did you learn that ? I went to a regular Finder folder, searched "hidden folder" in help, and did not find that. Maybe in a list of shortcuts ?

When you click the + button from within Time Machine / Options / Exclude from Backups you will be in an OS file selection dialog window

There are a several ways to select an arbitrary folder from within a file selection dialog:

  • Command-Shift-G brings up a "Go to" field where you can type any path (and it will offer autocomplete suggestions):
  • Use the popup menu to navigate to the root of the volume, from there you can navigate back into /Library
  • If you drag a folder from an open Finder window, the selected folder in the File Selection Dialog will change to that folder (careful: if you aren't in a file selection dialog, it will try to copy the files which is not what you want).
  • use Command-Up arrow to go up one level in the filesystem hierarchy (equivalent to "cd .." from the command line)

Most of these commands also work in a Finder window. In addition:

  • although ~/Library is hidden in the Finder by default (the tilde character ~ means /Users/home/[current user]/ ) if you hold down the Option key on the keyboard, the Library folder will show up in the Finder's Go menu. HOWEVER - this is not the Library folder you want - FileMaker server installs into the global /Library/ folder, not in the ~/Library folder.
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More hints

  1. if you are having trouble finding a folder in the Finder, open a Terminal, window, and run this command:
open "/Library/FileMaker Server"

the open command will open a folder in a new Finder window. If you give it the path to a document file, it will open it with the default App for that file type (just as if you had double-clicked the file)

  1. Every finder window has a proxy icon in the Title - you can drag & drop this icon just like dragging a folder. Complication: recent versions of macOS hide this icon, until you mouse over it:
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    You can override this annoying behavior in System Settings / Accessibility / Display:
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  2. Finder Preferences / Sidebar / Locations - allows you to add Hard Disks to the finder sidebar - I do this as it helps me navigate

Thanks, nice things to know !

I often have an issue with Finder windows : I can move them by dragging them with the title bar, but that is all I can do because these windows are greyed out. This is the active window :

  • Everything is greyed out
  • Clicking on a folder, for example Applications does not open it
  • Clicking on anything on the side bar does not work
  • Hoving over the system buttons colors them, but clicking on any of them does not work
  • Under File menu, Close Window is greyed out
  • Clicking New Folder creates a new one that seem to be fully working, but using Close Window turns it into a zombie like the others

Is there an issue with Finder on 15.6.1 ?

Thanks

Huh, that's not normal!

  • If the Finder is misbehaving, you can usually get it working by relaunching: hold the Option key on the keyboard, and long-click (or right-click) on the Finder icon in the dock and click Relaunch

  • I would update to 15.7.1 which is the latest OS version and might fix various issues.

I must have learnt it from one of the Mac websites. I had always used a default setting to have hidden folders revealed but one OS upgrade took that away from me. I'm fairly sure I can reset the default behaviour but I'm happy to turn the setting on when I need it.

Apple being Apple, updates offers me 26.0.1, not 15.7.1. Oh that's not true, if I scroll I get to

I will Update once this reply is posted.

UPDATE

15.7.1 is installed, still a couple of finder windows acting strangely. Next update will be to go to 26..1.x, if it's stabl.

FMS is not yet certified for macOS Tahoe 26: ClarisPKB

I suggest to avoid Mac OS 26 (Tahoe) in production. I note you did say "if it's stable", but at least for now it's a nest of headaches for some users. I have a few clients who upgraded for various reasons (before contacting me/us) and deeply regret doing so. With FM there are many issues, but even in non-FM apps there are still quirks, 'bugginess' and a 'beta' feel.

The history repeats : there is a new macOS in town, but it's not yet working right. If one year is not enough to put together a new macOS, the take 18 months. Who insists on having a new version of macOS every year ?

In my case FMS is not for production, so I will wait for macOS 26 to be fine, but maybe I will be forced to upgrade... In the past you could tell you Mac to skip a version, but it's not the case anymore.

I'm very slow to upgrade OS and FMP/FMS. I truly despise the rush to push new versions instead of fixing the current version in place. Annual upgrades are so disruptive to productivity, in contrast to bug fixes, security updates and the like. I keep older Mac around for legacy versions of OS and FMP/FMS. Clients do not want to be told to upgrade every 12 months and then experience bugs, printing conflicts, etc. until a fix is available.

I should clarify that with Linux I run the updates regularly, but of course not full versions if not compatible with FMS.

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